In this podcast episode, John Martinez, Director of Cloud R&D at Palo Alto Networks, discusses with host Jason the intricacies of FinOps and its impact on cloud cost optimization, particularly in a multi-cloud environment. John shares his insights on employing a "crawl, walk, run" approach to FinOps and emphasizes the importance of understanding where and how cloud spending occurs for effective financial management. They explore the challenges of security and reliability in a multi-cloud setup, drawing parallels between security practices and chaos engineering principles. John also highlights his commitment to diversity and inclusion through his involvement with Latinx in Tech and Techqueria, illustrating his dedication to fostering diverse communities in tech. The conversation touches on the importance of monitoring and alerting on misconfigurations to preempt potential security risks, advocating for embedding security measures early in the development process.