In an episode of the "Break Things on Purpose" podcast, Gustavo Franco, a Senior Engineering Manager at VMware, discusses his experiences with chaos engineering and reliability practices. Franco reflects on his early days at Google, highlighting the evolution from disaster recovery practices to the modern SRE (Site Reliability Engineering) movement. At VMware, he focuses on treating reliability as a product feature, particularly through the VMware Tanzu Reliability Engineering Organization, which is pioneering new approaches in the SRE field by working horizontally across various aspects of reliability. The conversation delves into Franco's career trajectory, which began with security roles and evolved through significant contributions to Google's SRE teams, including the creation of chaos engineering tools and incident management programs. He also shares insights into his current work, which involves assessing reliability risks and integrating chaos engineering from the early stages of product development.