Identity governance has become essential for modern security, particularly in managing both human and non-human identities within cloud and hybrid environments. In a conversation with Bradley, VP and CISO at Paychex, the challenges of identity management were discussed, emphasizing the need for a unified and scalable governance program. Key points included the risks of inadequate governance, such as data breaches, operational downtime, and increased costs, and the necessity to replace legacy systems with cloud-native solutions that accommodate the growing number of non-human identities. Bradley highlighted the importance of visibility as a foundation for effective governance, recommending automation for provisioning and deprovisioning, and adopting a Zero Trust model to ensure least privilege access. The conversation concluded that modern, comprehensive identity governance is crucial for reducing risk, improving efficiency, and adapting to evolving workloads, making it an integral part of current security strategies.