Today, Laura and Kevin are joined by Pete Hunt, who shares his insights on what it means to be an engineer, how to identify a good engineer, and his journey from engineer to CEO. `Pete has experience working at Instagram and Twitter, where he led the web team and helped build business analytics products. He also co-founded Smyte, an anti-abuse provider acquired by Twitter, before taking over as CEO of Dagster Labs in 2022. `Pete's expertise covers next-generation open source orchestration platforms for data assets, and he offers his unique perspective on the Zuck vs Musk debate. `The conversation is available on the That Tech Pod podcast, where listeners can also provide feedback and engage with the community through Slack and GitHub discussions.