In an interview with Dax Raad, creator of OpenCode and Zen, various topics are explored, including the motivation behind developing OpenCode, the open-source philosophy, and the importance of terminal-based workflows. OpenCode was developed to address the cumbersome experience of using large language models (LLMs) in traditional environments, by integrating LLMs directly into the terminal where users can interact with their file systems seamlessly. Dax explains the necessity of open-source for OpenCode to leverage community contributions and adapt to the constantly evolving landscape of LLMs, contrasting this with closed-source solutions like Claude Code that do not benefit as much from community input. Zen is introduced as a complementary service to OpenCode, providing access to high-quality deployments of popular and new models in an economically sustainable way. Dax also critiques the over-reliance on benchmarks for evaluating AI products, arguing that real-world usability and user experience are more significant indicators of product quality, and highlights the "superstitious behavior" people develop around AI models due to their unpredictable nature.