Cybersecurity researchers and ethical hackers play a crucial role in protecting society from bad actors. A conversation between Ashish Gupta, CEO at Bugcrowd, and Adrian Ludwig, CISO at Atlassian, highlights the journey of a security executive who started as an ethical hacker and now manages security for a diverse IT environment. The landscape of cybersecurity has evolved over the years, shifting from a technical issue to an organizational one, where security personnel focus on people, process, and organization. With experience on both sides, Adrian shares insights into the relationship between hackers and security personnel, noting that there's a better understanding now of what attackers do and how they work. To ensure everything gets fixed, Adrian trusts in his team and each member's ability to handle their specific area of responsibility. Crowdsourced security is used to identify blind spots, leveraging diversity and bringing it to the wider community through partnerships and bug bounty programs.